Levadiakos to upgrade stadium? Options

[RED SHERIFF]

i undrstand exactly where you are coming from..

BUT.

in a franchise closed league .. clubs are forced or can do this.

but in europe when you have up to 100 professional clubs in 4 divisions some come from tiny towns and with promotion and relegation its not possible to have 40 let a lone 100 such stadiums..

for example a club in greece or portugal today may come from a town of 15000 people and be in 3rd division. yet in 18 months may find themselves in div.1 . -

[pao2gre]

Deportivo La Coruna's stadium is bigger in capacity then the town so what is your point? You are giving excuses...noone is asking for a 80 million euro stadium but spend atleast a few million so that the whole pitch is enclosed and you cant see the xorafia and the yellathia in the background fuken....

[ZOOM]

no i agree with you pao2gre. these type of stadiums are pathetic and their should be rules if the staidum is not good enough cant get in the league.

Watching paok v thrasyvoulos last night i could not get over the staidum how can we expect ig players to come to greece and for people to have respect for the greek league if stadiusm like levadiakso exist.

[RED SHERIFF]

i am not saying they are great stadiums.
nor am i making excuses.
the facts are clubs like levadiakos,thrasyvoulos,kalamaria,akratitos,ionikos etc
are tiny clubs and tiny clubs form the largest percentage of clubs when you have 100 professional clubs in a population of 11.3 million.

its simple mathematics.

if you want promotion and relegation clubs like levadiakos and thrasyvoulos will always get through.

the problem they have is even to construct a modest 10000 enclosed stadium like xanthi costs several million.- money they dont have.
so what do you do?
exclude them from promotion?
that does the sport more harm than good.

do you ask thrasyvoulos to play out of another athens location?

what do you do with levadiakos?

its a very difficult question.

DEPORTIVO LA CORUNA STADIUM HOLDS 34,600

THE CITY HAS A POPULATION OF 244,400 AND 410,000 if you include the metropolitan area.

Levadiakos stadium seats 8000 toatal capacity 10000 the city has a population of 22,000

[montoya040]

Hoffenheim's population is 3,400 yet their new stadium is a 30,000 seater. The point is that we have to do SOMETHING and improve my league. You sound like youre saying its ok that Thrasyvoulos ha sthat stadium. I have written this a hundred times. We have to make a joint bid with turkey for on eof the upcomming euros. As much as I dislike Turks and don't consider them Europeans , we have to do this for selfish reasons. If we win the right to host a Euro we will be forced to build a few stadiums and this will help our league become one of the respected leagues in Europe. Look at all the stadiums that portugal was forced to build in 04 in order to host the Euro, it pretty much made their league take a leap of 50 years ahead.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/euro2004.htm

[pao2gre]

Red Sheriff....why not exclude these 100 or so "tiny" clubs from professional competition unless they meet the selective criteria? If it forces three teams in a city Kozani to merge into one greater club then so be it. Not only will it improve the stadium infrastructure it would reduce the amount of clubs and forge stronger links to the community.

[RED SHERIFF]

its a very delicate issue.

because the more clubs you have the more junior clubs you have..

in kozani for example as you said there are 3 clubs i assume they all have juniors if you were to drop or merge them maybe not all the kids would be able to play for the one club.. for various reasons distance ..less clubs means less pitchs less coaches etc, even in a small town like kozani travelling an extra 5 or 10 minutes may mean some mothers wont take their kids to training one less kid potentially means possibly one less chance to produce one less tsiartas,zagorakis,lyberopoulos.

the point is more clubs are needed not less clubs...

but i suppose to deal with your concerns about unambitious clubs playing in the SL. the answer is that clubs with bigger potential need to raise their standards.

we now have tripoli,ergotelis 2 clubs that 5 years ago were nowhere.
these clubs have well organised administrations.

larissa are back and building a stadium.
serres and panthrax are a huge upgrade to akratitos,ionikos,athinaikos,ethnikos asteras,prodeftiki.

clubs that have potential that need to take the next level are panachaiki,kavala,volos, giannina. all could be as strong as larisa and xanthi if the right pople got behind them..
things like this take time. you would be surprised at how countries other than greece also have similar issues.

@montoya40
we have discussed greeces bid for hosting euro champs. on another thread.
myself and others have analysed that issue in depth.. read some of the posts there and you will see. we are not that far off. in fact our last bid for 2012 was quite good.

also regarding hoffenheim the fact that the village of hoffenheim has only 3500 people yet the stadium holds over 30000 clearly implies that the hoffenheim support comes from outside the village of hoffenheim itself and probably from the region which has a population of over half a million residents.

it would be like for example a team from a suburb of patra making the SL and drawing its supporter base from the city of patra and the general region of achaia

This post has been edited by RED SHERIFF: Dec 6 2008, 05:57 AM

[Yiankos]

Καλά τα λέτε, αλλά ο Λεβαδειακός έχει την καλύτερη εντός έδρας άμυνα στην Ευρώπη!

[MasterPaul]

montoya040

Actually, that team isnt just Hoffenheim's Team but the whole Area around it is supporting it.

The problem in Greece:

I guess its nothing more then bad managment of teams? And worng choices.

For example, you have a football team. You dont really need the athletic Track. Instead of wasting space for stands sorounding the athletic track, just bring them close to the pitch. The extra space, could be used for other investments, hotels/ office space all to be rented. Or a mini shopping mall, or cinema or waterver. The profit from that could be used to fuel the team (better players, more promotion etc).

The solution to better players:

More trainging grounds, more clubs for youngsters. At a professional level, it may stay the same, cause most likely by the time your 18 you know how to get from point A to B.

[AEKAlex]

In Athens the clubs for youngsters isn't a problem really, there are plenty. However, in smaller towns like Levadeiakos, it must be very difficult to develop the youth. In my own town up north, which is quite large, there are maybe at least a couple hundred kids but only one team with a dirt pitch. There is no way youth can be expected to develop in those conditions. What you said is exactly the problem. More teams and better training facilities, especially out in the smaller towns, where alot of talent comes from.

As for the track, in Levadeiakos case, its a municipal stadium, so they don't really have a choice. I doubt there are many football teams that build their own stadiums for football with a track around them.

This post has been edited by AEKAlex: Jan 2 2010, 04:57 AM

[MasterPaul]

ANother problem is... dam this one is really nasty.

So i play at a club, and this guy (a friend of my mom) ofered me to play at AEK, due to his CONECTIONS. So ye... not good. Does makes you think how many spots are wasted for people with conections.

[AEKAlex]

yeah, thats gotta be true as well, never thought of that (Im not saying your spot would be a waste, maybe it wouldn't).

This post has been edited by AEKAlex: Jan 2 2010, 06:05 AM

[MasterPaul]

Well it wouldnt, I score directly from corners But Aeks not my dream, not even the fact that if I tried a bit, I would be playing in the first squad, being happy on the bench, playing for maybe 5 minutes. But serously not what I want. Not In Aek. I like Aek, but not where I want to be, and not how I wanna achieve It. I want to earn it.

My case is not the only case I hear , I heard others, saying that they got into PAOs offcial training academys due to there connections, and they also say that its near impossible to get into them with out. This why all the talents, dont really apear out of the big clubs, they usually seem to orginate from other trainging facilites, not belonging to the big guys.

This league is full of corruption. The whole system. If not the unfair doikosi, the way people get into the training facilities. The way other teams steal the credit the developing a player when they did not. The way the owners think about there pockets and not the teams best interest.

This post has been edited by MasterPaul: Jan 2 2010, 06:58 AM