Tzigger και Βαρδινογιάννηδες, everything about him here: Options

[AEK 1924]

this guy is unbelievable


"Τυχαία πορεία"
28-06-2004, 22:45
"Η επιτυχία της ελληνικής ομάδας στο Ευρωπαϊκό πρωτάθλημα είναι τυχαία και δεν σημαίνει ότι το ελληνικό ποδόσφαιρο βγήκε από την κρίση και έλυσε τα προβλήματά του".
Τάδε έφη Γιάννης Βαρδινογιάννης... Μία απίστευτη δήλωση που σίγουρα θα συζητηθεί και μπορεί να χαρακτηριστεί τουλάχιστον ανατρεπτική μέσα στο κλίμα ενθουσιασμού που επικρατεί τις τελευταίες μέρες, μετά την επιτυχία της εθνικής μας ομάδας στο Ευρωπαϊκό πρωτάθλημα.
"Το ποδόσφαιρο που παίζει η εθνική είναι το ποδόσφαιρο που αρέσει σε κάθε προπονητή και θα ήθελε να παίζει η ομάδα του" συνέχισε ο "Τζίγγερ", στο πλαίσιο της γιορτής που διοργανώνουν από κοινού, η ΠΑΕ, η ΚΑΕ και το ΤΑΠ του Παναθηναϊκού, προκειμένου να γιορτάσουν την κατάκτηση των πρωταθλημάτων σε ποδόσφαιρο, μπάσκετ και βόλεϊ.
Μιλώντας για τις μετεγγραφικές κινήσεις του Παναθηναϊκού, ο "Τζίγγερ" συνέχισε, απευθυνόμενος στους εκπροσώπους του Τύπου: "Με ρωτάτε για πρόσωπα ή για το πως θα είναι η ομάδα του χρόνου; Σκοπός μας είναι να φτιάξουμε μια καλή ομάδα χωρίς να μας ενδιαφέρουν τα πρόσωπα. Είδατε άλλωστε και την Γαλλία τι κατάφερε....".
Όσον αφορά την κοινή γιορτή του Παναθηναϊκού: "Μακάρι κάθε χρόνο να βρισκόμαστε και να κάνουμε γιορτές αν και αυτό που πετύχαμε φέτος δεν ήταν εύκολο..." κατέληξε ο "Τζίγγερ".

[Vasellos121]

what a faggot , he wanted pao to be the best thing out of greece, fuck him , id rather see the ethniki win it all, i cant stand vardinoyiannis and im a pao fan

[paul]

i wouldnt except much different coming from the mouth of the big shot

and vasello, i apoligize i forgot to send your stuff. i had to reformat my other computer so it took some time until i could get the games back but i sent out now. tell me when you get it

[Vasellos121]

appreciate it man!!!

[ksouro1]

that is why pao and other greek teams will never have a top notch foreign player, and why we will never succeed in european play. because of that mentality. at least make an attempt. dont destroy all the options befor you even expolre them.

[AEK 1924]

what vardi fails to understand is that luck has nothing to do with it. sure the league is shit, but that doesnt mean that greek players are shit. if there is someone to blame for the condition of greek soccer today, alll he has to do is look in the mirror

[Trifilli]

What do you expect from the " ....bag that destroyed the incredible PAO team of the CL QFs against Barca!!!

He has gotten PAO fans the "carrot" (double ), with the most inferior team in the last 10 years.
Sold our best and treated Antonis like ....

I am ashamed of him

PEACE

[kostas]

since osfp has made a major signing in RIvaldo (if it ends up so), do u think that your owners, wanting to one-up their rivlas will proceed to bring a big name to your team?

[g00nis]

yea watch us get amoroso

[kostas]

hey, one over the hill brazilian for another. sounds fair

[Gooner-Panatha]

i wouldnt bet on it...

[nick]

you guys have 3 top strikers, get a midfielder!!!!!


a defensive mid who has a bit of flair, like kleberson who may leave man u.

[aek11]

well if PAOs managment wouldnt put money out for the likes of Kolka, Lybe, Nikopolidis, i doubt they will put money into him even though he is a very good player

[biancoverde]

[gkioussis]

[Icarus]

I'm in shock at the utter imcompetence and cheapskatedness displayed by PAO's management the last little while especially.

Letting Seitaridis go before the Euro's for what would now have been practically nothing.

Filling the team with Iron Curtain mercenaries.

One of the few clubs in Greece with actual money to do something, has dissapointed again.

[finnegan]

Mallon oi metagrafes tou Panathinaikou teliosan gia fetos. Apomenoun fysika 9 meres gia to telos tis metagrafikis periodou alla poly diskola tha kanei o Panathinaikos paromoia kinisi me ton gayvro. Oso gia to an oi kainourioi paixtes einai xeiroteroi apo aftous pou efigan, opos isxirizontai merikoi, as perimenoume na tous doume. H aksia kathe podosfairisti krinetai mesa sto gipedo, sto poso prosferei stin omada tou, kai oxi apo to poso gnostos einai kai ton topo katagogis tou.

[accor6]

8a anafer8w MONO sto agwnistiko kommati tou ergou tou gia na mhn ginei mpaxalo to topic.

An kai einai ligo kairo sta hnia tou sullogou exw parathrhsei oti o Tzigger asxoleite POLY energa me ton sullogo. Auto ksekinhse me thn apomakrunsh, tou Zajec. Vlepw oti tis metagrafes, pare- dwse tis analamvanei o idios pairnontas apopseis apo tous scouter ths omadas (Bonic, Liva8inos, Janjanin) alla kai ton proponhth. Auto kata th gnwmh mou einai polu kalo dioti ligosteuoune oi pi8anothtes h omada na kanei kakes metagrafes dioti oi polugnwmia einai anwterh ths mias alla kai eksalifei thn pi8anothta ths mizeas(Des Zajec me Kroates).

Paixtes pou shkwsan to kefali tous h shkwnoune to kefali tous fagw8hkan. Eite menontas eleu8eroi( Chalkias), eite phrane metagrafh (Kirgiakos). O Tzigger pleon den asteieuete. Vevaia, einai gnwsto oti agwnistikws den gnwrizei polla pragmata alla kai gia auto exei tosous sunergates kai elegxei autos apoluta ti ginete kai oxi opws palia auth htane douleia tou Zajec o opoios ekane oti h8ele, vazontas to prwsopiko tou sumferon panw apo auto tou sullogou kai ths etairias.

Allo pragma pou vlepw oti o Tzigger deixnei shmadia pleon oti paei na sthsei ton PAO panw sto montelo tou Ajax, me kales metagrafes pou (opws autes tou Gennarh) alla me ton kairo na prww8ei nea paidia apo thn akadhmia kai na akolou8aei oti kanoune kai oi sullogoi opws h Porto h Ajax na agorazoune fthna, poulwntas me kerdos alla kai thn prwo8hsh newn paixtwn apo ths akadhmies.

O Idios kserei opws kai emeis oti dysthxws h Ellada einai para polu ftwxh podosfairika wste na mporei na ginoume mia Inter h Arsenal kai kala kanei kai paei na kanei oti oi Ollandoi alla kai Portogaloi ths Porto. H Porto, epeidh exw filous Portogalous, dhmiourgh8hke apo diaforous Charalampidides kai Gekes pou apokth8hkan apo tis Panaxaikes kai Ergotelhdes ths Portogalias. Apokth8hkan ksenoi pou kaneis tous den eixe megalo onoma alla eixane niato, talento alla kai dipsa wste na diakri8oune (vlepe Carlos Alberto, h Deco). H Akadhmia tous na prwo8ei 1-2 paixtes sth prwth omada pou na paizoune kai me enan proponthth oxi mono kalo sth taktikh alla kai podosfairiko daskalo pou asxol8hke me tous paixtes atomika.

O PAO prwta 8a prepei na ftiasksei ton kormo kai meta na er8ei o enas h duo paixtes pou mporoune na kanoune thn megalh diafora (vlepe Gonzalez). Thn omada thn kanei to kalo sunolo kai oxi oi Maradones kai oi Peledes!!!

O PAO auth thn stigmh exei polu kalo uliko, to kalutero apo tote pou mporoume na 8umh8oume alla 8a xreiastei ligo kairo wste na katastalaksei, na strwsei wste na mporei na er8ei o Argentinos paixtaras pou 8a sou pros8esei to mpaxariko pou 8a nostimhsei kai 8a dwsei ousia sthn omada. Ontws, einai polloi oi paixtes pou exoune sto roster mas auto to kairo alla hdh exei arxisei to kseskartarisma (Xalkias, Kiriakos, Epale) kai 8a akolou8hsoune kai alloi (Raguel, Zutautas, Demba, Mitu) kai 8a mpoune kai 2 paidia apo thn akadhmia wste na ginei to prwto mpoliasma. 22-23 paixtes kai 2-3 apo akadhmia ftanei kai vlepeis thn epomenh metagrafikh periodo ti xreiazese kai ti oxi. Kai auto to susthma einai polu anwtwro se sxesh me allo pou pairnoune kati teliwmenous Paolo Sousa kai Rivaldo wste na ikanopoihsoune to laiko erisma (kai kati teliwmenous Ellhnes 32arhdes) enw 8a mporouse na paroune 5 neous paixtes pou na prosferane polla perisotera apo autous makropro8esma.

O PAO exei poulhsei 2 paidia tou mexri stigmhs se megalous eurwpaikous sullogous alla oloi sumfwnoume oti 8a mporouse kai gia tous duo na parei perisotera! Sigoura Mporouse alla kai autos den exei thn empeiria se tetoies katastaseis (posous paixhes exei poulhsei o PAO ola auta ta xronia? 3-4?) Ara, 8a ma8ei me ton kairo na diapragmateuete kalutera. Logiko einai na kanei la8h alla to shmantiko einai oti asxloleite kai den upografei mono tous mis8ous!!!

H parousia tou meta to match me thn AEK einai shmantikh. Oloi 8eloune na vlepoune to afentiko tous paron. Oti douleia kai an einai auth ektos kai an 8eloune na loufaroune!!!
O Alexandros kai o Filipos panta odhgousane thn epi8esh kai gia auto htane kai toso petuxhmenoi oi Makedones!!! Otan einai mprostarhs o arxhgos tote oi stratiwtes den mporoune para na akolou8hsoune.

Me to kalo 8a ginei kai to diko mas ghpedo kai isws tote arxisoume na moiazoume sthn Porto kai ston Ajax (pou tous zhleuw sthn oraganwsh kai stis Eurapikes tous epityxies) kai eimai sigouros oti panta 8a eimaste sth krema tou Eurwpaikou podosfairou opou oi ksenoi paixtes 8a 8eloune na er8oume giati 8a eimaste megalos sullogos se OLA.

Murizomai mia agwnistikh alla kai oraganotikh anoiksh sto PAO.

[Trifilli]

I do like your optimism, and I agree that it is better for Tziger to get more involved.
It is a good idea to make money by buying low and selling high.
However, PAO has sold our BEST players without taking advantage of their full potential
Kara was free.
Seitaridis was inexplicably sold before the Euro, in a rushing effort to avoid him "slumping"
Antonis was let go for 200k euro gap, Kolka was not offered a respectable renewal.
Kyrgiakos' departure had NOTHING to do with his disagreement with Skasni, and could have been sold for more in the summer
Basinas is rumored to be out as well

May I remind you that Porto and Ajax have paid millions of euros to BUY GREEK players...There is NO comparison between those teams and PAO management
NONE of the players that were brought in to replace our loses have been better.
Munch being the best one so far
It is true that the most recent winter transfers are the most promising, though too early to tell. Fact is, Kyrgiakos will be greatly missed.

Questions :
Where has ALL the money gone?
Is there a player that will NOT be sold?
Is a respectable UEFA appearance even remotely important to Tziger and co?
Is the protathlima all PAO can do?
Are we ever going to get a great coach?
KALH TYXH STO TRYFILLI MAS

Greetings

PEACE

[The Grappler]

WE NEED TO CUT THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE,FOR PAO TO EVER MAKE IT IN THE BIG LEAGUE OF EUROPE. THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM IS VARDINOGIANNIS, OSFP HAS OVERTAKEN US IN ALL ASPECTS ,AND AEK WITH DEMI,WILL LEAVE US BEHIND AS WELL,DEMI WONT BE CHANGING COACHES EVERY SIX MONTHS,WE NEED A NEW PRESIDENT , WHO HAS A VISION FOR THE FUTURE,AND MONEY TO SPEND.