Kostas Mitroglou, New National Prospect Options

[Thryleon]

Mitro is highly overated. Poachers are useless in a tournament with a high calibre of opponents. I would like to see Mantzios, Papoulis and Athanasiadis given a shot. Athansiadis has already proven he has a deadly finish with predator instincts.

I think you are being very harsh and direspectfull to Lyb. He is the best super sub we have despite his age. The old timer scored 2 goals in the last games.

Have you actually watched Mitro play for Ethniki?? When the going gets tough, he does not get going...

Before they both step foot on the park, they are roughly the similar proposition.

I.e. What will we get out of either player? No one knows, and lets say that they both end up with roughly the same (likely) result which is: Get thrown into a game for lack of other options, and probably once our fate has been sealed and neither produce much.

Then ask yourself, who is the better option to play?

option 1 (Lymberopoulos) - A 37 year old, who is of no use moving forward, but might save us for 20 minutes of a game or two in a tournament we are unlikely to win if he is playing any meaningful minutes.

Option 2 (Mitroglou) - A 24 year old, who can use all the experience he can get and maybe a suitable forward for us for the next ten years and has shown some attributes that may be of value and is about as good as it gets for us.

Option 3 - Any other player who may be the goods.

Im actually leaning towards option 3, 2, and 1 should only be an option if we are in the hunt to win this tournament and need some "class" off the bench. Lymbe isnt even Class anymore, he was about 4 years ago....

I cant believe this is even an argument.

This post has been edited by Thryleon: Apr 2 2012, 08:19 PM

[Chris Kiato]

I clearly said Lyb as a super sub. He has never been fast. His experience, skill and craftiness are very valuable if we need a goal towards the end of a game.

[Thryleon]

Chris, I understand where you are coming from, you have asked yourself the question I stated above, and have ended up with the answer of option 1.

As far as I am concerned, I believe that would be a complete waste of time for both Lymbe and Mitrolgou as I dont think Lymberopoulos can help us at this level, nor will he be able to in future. In fact, I agree that Mitroglou probably cant help us at this level either, and would rather we take option 3 (for arguments sake, call it Vellios, Athanasiadis or anyone else who is untested) as that way this player will find out what they need to do or what level they need to achieve in order to compete with our NT, as opposed to playing a clearly past it Lymberopoulos, but I can at least understand why you would take Mitroglou if nothing else but to reward players who are performing at club level.

At the end of the day we are all going to have to agree to disagree, but the fact that we are even arguing about this is just ridiculous. Its the age old argument between Greeks and in football specifically, who is the bigger fish in the fishbowl? Take them to the ocean and both of them wont even go in let alone go in and compete.

[Chris Kiato]

I want Lyb as a last minute sub. Nothing to do with Mitro. It's all about tactics. They are totally different players. My purpose is just for this Euro.

I have followed Lyb since the under 21's. He never says die if you know him as a player. From what I can see he is playing behind the forwards for AEK right now and doing very well. He is creating and putting them away. We dont have a young alternative.

Lets face it, we dont have quality strikers. Gekas has failed in the tournaments and Mitro has failed in the friendlies...

I would select Samaras, Salp, Gekas (reluctantly), Athanasiadis and Lyb for Euro 2012. I would have Athanasiadis starting over Gekas at this moment in time. Unless Santos invites someone else, this is it!!!

[GreeceRule22]

I clearly said Lyb as a super sub. He has never been fast. His experience, skill and craftiness are very valuable if we need a goal towards the end of a game.

Super sub?. He's been given more than enough chances over the last 2 years and its pretty clear that he has nothing to contribute. The few times that Mitroglou came on he's contributed and actually looked like scoring. Even Angelos would be a better choice for the long ball towards the end of the game.

What's the point in arguing though we all know he'll take Lyb he's stuck by him for 2 years despite him doing fuck all so what's gonna change now. Let's just hope he doesn't cost Mitroglou his well deserved place.

This post has been edited by GreeceRule22: Apr 3 2012, 04:52 AM

[Chris Kiato]

If he is washed up, why is he still scoring and starting for AEK??

This post has been edited by Chris Kiato: Apr 3 2012, 05:26 AM

[GreeceRule22]

I'm not basing it on the league, I'm talking about how he's played for Greece and that has been atrocious. He hasn't even looked like scoring and hasn't contributed. I don't see how you can argue in favour of a player who hasn't done shit in over 2 years despite being given loads of chances. Charisteas and Mitroglou have done more and haven't had half the time. Charisteas scored against Georgia, Mitroglou has 2 assists and although he missed a shit load of chances when he was given time last year, at least he actually posed a threat. Even if you do want to base it on league performance both Mitroglou and Athanasiadis have more goals and should be ahead of him. I don't watch AEK so maybe it does come down to chemistry but I really think this guy shouldn't be called up. We all know he will be though.

[Axiotis91]

If he is washed up, why is he still scoring and starting for AEK??

because they cant afford anyone else lol

[Thryleon]

I want Lyb as a last minute sub. Nothing to do with Mitro. It's all about tactics. They are totally different players. My purpose is just for this Euro.

I have followed Lyb since the under 21's. He never says die if you know him as a player. From what I can see he is playing behind the forwards for AEK right now and doing very well. He is creating and putting them away. We dont have a young alternative.

Lets face it, we dont have quality strikers. Gekas has failed in the tournaments and Mitro has failed in the friendlies...

I would select Samaras, Salp, Gekas (reluctantly), Athanasiadis and Lyb for Euro 2012. I would have Athanasiadis starting over Gekas at this moment in time. Unless Santos invites someone else, this is it!!!

So you believe, as an out and out play maker, you would rather have Lymberopoulos play there, than say Ninis or Fetfatzidis?

We lack the hardworking midfield to make any real noise at this tournament, why wouldnt you put players who have a future in, rather than sit there and play has beens who have not contributed at this level since 2009?

[Rtasos21]

Mitro is highly overated. Poachers are useless in a tournament with a high calibre of opponents. I would like to see Mantzios, Papoulis and Athanasiadis given a shot. Athansiadis has already proven he has a deadly finish with predator instincts.

I think you are being very harsh and direspectfull to Lyb. He is the best super sub we have despite his age. The old timer scored 2 goals in the last games.

Have you actually watched Mitro play for Ethniki?? When the going gets tough, he does not get going...

Mitro is under rated if you ask me. According to wikipedia he has 15 goals in 23 games this year. He seems to be in some form. You can't say poachers are useless because you would be discrediting players like Inzaghi, Van Nistelrooy, Gerd Muller etc. Athanasiadis is a good player, but he hasn't established himself fully yet. He needs some more time before he becomes a starter or a regular sub. And I'm not being harsh or disrespectful to Lympe when I say he only deserves the last moments of the game if we are deep into extra time. That's letting him play at his fullest against tired opponents and I'm confident he can score a PK if we ever get to that point this tournament. Other than that though it would be ridiculous to see the guy run tirelessly up front. Mitro hasn't proven himself yet for the ethniki I agree, but I think it has to do with his confidence more than his skill. If he can score a few goals in the warmup friendlies I think he will do well in the Euro.

[Olympiakara10]

If he is washed up, why is he still scoring and starting for AEK??

My grandma could score goals on the likes of Doxa Drama and Levadiakos.

[Chris Kiato]

Yes he did play a few crappy friendly games. But historically when we needed a goal, he delivered...

As I said, he can only play behind the strikers and as a krifo kinigo which he is dam good at.

Mitro will get his chance soon. If he can impress with Ethniki, then by all means select him.

[Amorgos]

My grandma could score goals on the likes of Doxa Drama and Levadiakos.

People under-estimate what scoring goals entails... According to some members here, goals Samaras and Mitroglou score are void because of opposition? Power to the people!!

Just realised what context this was in about Lymbe. Lymbe should not be going to the Euro at the expence of a younger talent, but I stand by what I say about scoring goals.

Also, do people forget past campaigns??? Chari and Lymbe have been to these tournaments and did not make a difference so get over it.

ps. Love you Lymbe

This post has been edited by Amorgos: Apr 6 2012, 07:43 PM

[SydneyOlympic57]

ps. Love you Lymbe

Lymberopoulos would be going to EURO if he's cutting up the oranges no other reason

Same with Charisteas both legends and class in their day, but Mitroglou is a better option over both of them, got to take the little gangster

[CHIVAS]

Please don't quote the poster right above you - Mods

Yes I agreee, I love both Charistea and Lymberopoulos....but Mitroglou should go he had a great season

[greekleafs17]

I agree with GreeceRule22. I agree with the idea that if a player has been given chances over a two year period and hasn't contributed much, if anything, then they should not be selected for the tournament. I love Lybe, but he's no longer for the ethniki.

Having said that, I would say the same thing about Mitroglou. He's been given numerous chances and although the argument can be made that he at least sometimes had quality chances and he had to get in position to have those chances, he still has not scored a single goal for the ethniki and that's the bottom line. He's wasted some great chances too. I don't remember his other assist (if he really does have 2) but I remember the one against Malta, at the 94th minute. That helped us immensely, but he didn't intend to pass the ball at all. He tried to shoot it, messed up horribly but it landed on the head of Toro who buried it. His greatest contribution so far was a mistake lol

Otto made a mistake bringing Kapetanos in 2010. He brought him because he had a good season, but did nothing with the ethniki and hasn't seen a game since. Santos shouldn't make the same mistake just because a certain player who has done nothing for the ethniki had a decent or good season. There will be a training camp before the tournament, and likely Mitroglou will be one of the guys auditioning for a striker spot. If he scores some goals in the friendlies, he has a case. If not, then we're taking along a guy who has done absolutely nothing over a two year stretch.

[Zakynthos]

Mitroglou needs to play more he comes in as a sub playing 10-15 minutes he can't do much.....let the kid play 90 minute he will do good.