yeah but hes greek. thats the problem. our players dont seem to be getting any love. i feel kinda bad for zizis.

Im so pissed of with this move!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are always (greek players) been treated like shit and this is appauling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zisi played a vital role in us winning the EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS and look what these malakes do to him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im absolutley appauled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He might as well stayed at Perugia were they at least treated him like a king.
Come back to Greece Vryza, you deserve much better than this insult!
Im so pissed off with this!!!! One massive insult to a top player!
I cant see any nation winning the Euro Championships and a key striker!!!!!!! going to second divison afterwards!!!!!!!!! THATS UNHEARD OFF!!!!!!!
THIS IS BULLSHIT!!!!!! Come back to Greece! These people dont deserve you services!

Fiorentina malakies

It's clear the football world still doesn't think of Greece too highly.

Fine by me. I like them underestimating us.

Plus Charisteas and Dellas and co will be more rested for future NT games.

wasnt paolo ferreira the one who went to chelsea for 25 million euro (or pounds?) ?
yet we had 3 defenders who were much better. one goes for 3 million, another for 500.000 and another is seeing bench time.

Players are nowadays bought by reputation rather then how they really perform.....That is a huge insult to Zisi, didn't he play a big part in Them getting promoted?

not really. he scored a small amount of goals. plus fiorentina finished 6th, but lucked out cus serie a was expanding so they got in or else they would be playing serie b this year too.

Well then no wonder they didn't value him.....send him back to Greece where he will be an inspiration for our youngsters.

Come on '24 Vryzas was as vital as anyone!
He scored two goals in our campaign to be Euro champions and look at how vital those goals were!
1-0 win over Armenia in Armenia thanks to Vryzas &
1-2 lose to Russia at Euro which Vryzas scored to book our place in the quarters.
Vryza should deffinatly not be playing 2nd division football!

i meant for fiorentina and not our NT

All those calling for his head should be ashamed of themselves. U all sit here and complain that he is in 2nd division but as soon as we lose u all call for his head on a block. I say show the man the respect he deserves 'cause no matter what happens he will always be in that victorious Euro 2004 team picture on my wall and therefore will always hold a place in my heart. I bet none of u bagging him would dare say it to his face!!

I LOVE ZISIS !!

vryzas will be playing in the best league in the world next year. these 2nd division spanish teams are just as good as him playing in a team like portsmouth or lower level in england...its very strong for second division...and who knows he could lead them to cup glory too.

Bravo, well said XRISTATA

Funny how SOME people can forget in one or two games what this player has given to the national team over the last couple years.....for shame to those who
bad mouth VRYZAS

given what one goal come on a striker is supposto give more than that!!!!!

Bravo XRISTATA

Vryzas will always have a part in my heart. I don`t understand the people bad mouthing him??? Vryzas and all players from our ethniki have more pressure than ever to perform and do well. Everything will fall into place for Vryzas club football and the ethniki. Zisis is a champion and champions always come through and silence their critics.

CHAMPIONS DONT PLAY IN SECOND DIVISIONS!!!


hhoe can otto continue to pick second division players and players who just dont play.......charisteas, karagounis, stelara. they are out of form!!!

first off those players on the team at euro got in stunning form after the russia game. the first game was all adrenaline, the second was hard fought and the 3rd was not so good. those guys were playing in all the games and were getting in better and better form.

now they come to the NT game in shit form and are expected to play like they are in form!!!!!!!


it may be some of the coaches fault for the treatment but the players no that at bolton and inter the 2 guys will not get played!!!!!!

if by that date salpinggidis has 4 goals and amanatidis is playing good in germany, why would they be left out.

we have to be the only country that doesnt reward good play. if we did stoltidis would have NT caps!!!!


also last year otto said no player playing for a 2nd division team would be part of the NT, and now we have 2!!!!!!!



ps..........take italy into consideration: they would play totti and vieri no matter what kind of form they were in, and they sucked, now lippi has played players who desereve the spot and has already had quarells with those 2 and told them they dont need them, and they are 2-0 in qualifying!!!!!!!!

somebody said it is like playing for portsmouth......are you crazy, the fact and big difference is that vryzas will be playing against 2nd rate players and if you play for portsmouth you play man u, arsenal etc.....when you go play denmark and there tough defence you are used to it, not having to adjust your game!!!!

Sometimes it is better to drop back a grade in order to regain some form. It is done quite often with much success in AFL and although these games are not very similar most of these sports are mainly played between the ears.

nick, Salp is already on the team and Amanitidis, who Otto is a clear admirer of, is injured. I am no Vryzas fan but who can we realistically call up at the moment to take his place? Who could step up at this moment to replace Dabizas? The only option is Vallas, who was terrible at the Olympics. I like the kid alot but throwing him into the mix right away against Ukraine could be dangerous. Tavlaridis is an option but again needs some experience. As for Stoltidis, he's an excellent player who has the misfortune of competing against Zagorakis, Basinas and Katsouranis. But over the course of the next two years in friendlies and some qualifiers (against Kazahkstan or Georgia say) Otto will bleed young and new players in.

First of all it has to be said that Zsis is a champion, and a GOOD striker...however we need a GREAT striker with speed..! a la Nikolaidis in his prime. Xarist and Zsis are somewhat similar...slow. I watched all of the NT games and the Turkish game..Stelara had some good chances, and if Zsis was luckier he could have scored 1 minimum, however we need a TOP performer in that position..I'm sure OTTO knows it, especially when all the teams we'll be playing against will be ready for us, and will be looking to beat our ass ! a la MotherF$#@! Albanamalakes.

I'm sure he's waiting for our season to start and get these guys in better shape before tampering with the chmeistry and the tinkering with the lineup. One thing I know for certain OTTO is the MAN ! He see's the writing on the wall...we need better scoring to complement our bad ass DEFENCE..we were shaky vs ALBANIA, somewhat adventurous vs Turkey however I was impressed by our poise and overall solid play...1 or 2 faster strikers and we have the capability of playing major NOISE at the World Cup ..wait and see ....

Το πρώτο του γκολ με τη φανέλα της Θέλτα πέτυχε ο Ζήσης Βρύζας. Ο διεθνής επιθετικός σημείωσε το μοναδικό τέρμα της ομάδας του, στην εκτός έδρας ισοπαλία 1-1 με τη Μούρθια για την 5η αγωνιστική της Segunda Division.

BRAVO!!

Good for Vryzas! He can score more if the players would pass him the ball more.

distixos tetios paixtis paizei stin b' ispanias. tha mou peitai oti kai h b' ispanias einai kali, alla nomizo oti tha borouse na vrei mia kali omada se kalo omilo. tha evaze 20 goal stin ollandia!

only half an hour into the game and zisis has already scored 2 goals for celta.

2-1 over alaves currently

wow bravo Zisi.

he always has a good attitude, while he can sit on the bench at a good club and earn €€€€s like Kara, he prefers to go more downmarket - but play and be adored.
undervalued and underated but he is a player//

KANAME TIN POUTSA SOU KORNIZA,
ZISI VRYZA...ZISI VRYZA

this is what i have been saying forever, although i dont like him playing in 2nd division, he is going into a huge game for greece with 3 goals in 2 games.

this is what we need, a striker in form, it is such a help. guys like karagounis must have quite the ego on them to think they are above playing for a lower team like lazio or fiorintina. and at half time if he is not playing, then off he goes!!

your more of a flipflopper than john kerry

how many times have you said that vryzas needs to be off the nt? seemingly everytime you make a post about our striker situation

now youre praising him?

i personally do not like him as a partner with charisteas, they are to similar. that has been my problem, but knowing that otto always plays the two of them it is great to have one of them is great form.

i do not agree with him on going to second division at all though. no player should play for a team ranked in the top 20 that plays 2nd division.

WEll Zisis score again for Celta and his team won 2-0 over Pontevedra. Sizis is bringing Celta to First Division he scores every week and my reports tell me that he is highly respected among the fans Not only Celta but in Spain.

Guys,

Vryzas and Charisteas ARE NOT all that similar. Charisteas is more in the mold of a classic English striker while Vryzas is more of a withdrawn forward. In Otto's counter-attacking scheme, one of the strikers has to be a withdrawn target player that can hold the ball while the midfielders make runs off of him. THAT'S VRYZAS!

I agree to a certain extent about the need for more pace up front, but I'm not sure we have the creative playmaking midfielders to provide service to that type of striker. If we did find a "young Demi", he would replace Charisteas and not Vryzas.

I'm not sure why people are so down on Zisi. I watched him extensively while at Perugia, and he was all the money playing essentially a playmaker role. I can't believe he's fallen that far off. Vryza is exactly the type of player who would have benefitted from leaving Greece MUCH earlier.

AEK Chicago i think Vryzas is a very good player and in my opinion very important. He could play for big clubs especially in Italy but remember he is Greek and that stops him from joining a bigger team. However just look how fast he adapted in Spain and how proffesional he is.


Now about finding a new young Demis up front im confident that we will find a similar player soon. Salpigidis, Papas from Kalamaria, And maybe Papadopoulos will take his roll. But we need time there are a lot of good strikers in Greek football but they for some reason not yet up to the level-

[quote=Aetos,Dec 19 2004, 08:55 AM]
[QUOTE]He could play for big clubs especially in Italy but remember he is Greek and that stops him from joining a bigger team.[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure about that. I believe that he's very well respected in Italy. For the most part, he was THE MAN at Perugia.

young demis well demis should have left aek a long as time ago!!!! he would have been much better if he left in his mid 20's!!!!

Fucken oath Vryzas is a top player! He is respected in Spain and Italy I think that says something, and he was LOVED at Perugia!
Bravo re Zisi, keep the goals coming!

mmm demis coulda been more than what he was if he went over seas its a damn shame

Thats exactly right. Zisis is a star and his contribution to the ethniki is underestimated by some. Hes got real technique which comes from experience, playing in italy and natural talent aswell

Sure he is...

agreeed 1000000000000 times pretzel! he wanted to stay dont know whyyyyyyy if the league was screwed and fixed......???? also just imagine if he didnt think he was the manga and actually gave it 100 percent like zagorakis does on the field!!! then hen would have been even more. damn it demis your a malaka!

Well he retired from playing just to help his team AEK, is already doing amazing things for the team, and is showing all the signs of becoming a fantastic president. So I guess he isn't a malaka...

i think u need to watch more football raul before making crazy accusations like Nikolaidis didnt give 100 percent and shit like that. sure hes got haters (all OSFP and PAO fans) but he loved AEK and wanted the best for them and continues to help them to the best of his ability today.

btw this is a Vryzas topic, whats the deal with him, is he even seeing time? it would be terrible if he couldnt on a 2nd division side even if it is Celta

hey vryzas scored in a 2-0 win with celta over some spain b team,but its good hes scoring