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Ta opoia s' enan mono agwna tis Ispanias - Italias - Anglias i germania mpeni autos o kosmos.
I Bia kai to kako edafos ton Ellinikon gypedon echei kanei ton kosmo na kathete spiti tous.
Otan se ena Derbi Aek - Pao blepeis 9.472 atoma kai na kanoun to danistiko gypedo pou edwse o Panionios, " Mpourdelo kai pedio maxis "
totte ti theloume.....
Gia auto toses omades echoun oikonomika problimata kai den ta bgazoun pera,
ase pou yparchoun kai i "TARACHES".
Na kamaronoume ta Ellinika mas katorthomata.......

thats pathetic,bad stadiums ,shocking pitches,violent fans ,bad refereeing,average players,what do you expect,plus the greek fa have no idea on how to market the game ,28.000 total A JOKE ,they need to get rid of kallithea,ionikos,halkidona,aigaleo and other small athenian teams and push the teams from the eparhia ,like larissa,serres,kavala ,cut the teams to twelve ,they have to try something new because whatever they are doing now is not working.

Like we've said before though, those numbers are not accurate.... I remember someone saying PAOK had at least 10,000 at the game. Thats a 4,000 difference. Same with the other teams I bet. Still not anything to be proud of though....

those figures seem pretty right to me ,watching highlites of the matches its visible that the stadiums are empty ,unless the fans are invisible,can someone tell me how these teams survive financially?in turkey the stadiums are full every week,they got 75.000 at the gala-fener derby,and their smaller clubs all fill their stadiums.something has to be done ,maybe a different way in deciding the championship other than first past the post ,but a playoff series instead.

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Eine ta idia me fetos kai persi peripou,

H xorikotita ton gypedon auti tin stigmi eine gelia,
o agwnistikos xwros eine pragmatika gia klamata
Aigalew - Korydalo -Larisas sxes, itan les kai paizane mirmigia Mpasket.

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ΠΑO:16.730
ΑΕΚ & ΠΑΝΙΩΝΙΟΣ:12.000
ΠΑΟΚ:28.000
ΠΡΟΟΔΕΥΤΙΚΗ:4.800
ΙΩΝΙΚΟΣ:5.850
ΞΑΝΘΗ:9.200

Oxi mono den ftanoun ta 30.000 xiliades atoma alla den paei kanenas kai otan pas to mono pou blepeis eine Bia.

Diladi otan pas se allo gypedo stin Europi eine san na pas EKDROMI,
edw pas epeidi prepei na pas gia tin omada sou.
Diladi na paroume ta pragmata kathara kai wrea,
sxes me ton Olympiako ti eidame ,pos peigene i omada ase pou epaixse xalia,
kai o logos eine polli "mistikos"

Aek - Pao opoios peige i efage sxilo i efage fotobolida sto Kefali i tou spasane to autokinito.

Iwniko vs Irakli oloi stin Taracha itan.

Paok vs Prodeftiki,
xwris kanena logo o ypotis efage mpokali i petra sto kefali,
asxeto entelos.

O Olympiakos timorimenos kai gypedouxos echei kopsi pano kato:10269
O Panathinaikos sto protathlima kai xwris timoria,
giati itan timorimenos alla tin ebgale me agwna kypelou ecehi kopsi molis:23942

Eine fobero auto pou geinete,
Gia auto ean den kanoun to idio pou kanei o Olympiakos den tous blepo kalla.

O pao peire 3000 eisitiria,
o Olympiakos kanei gypedo me 33,500 diladi ta 3,500 eine gia tous allous opadous
t' alla 30.000 tha eine mono gia Olympiakous
me mono 3 derbi Aek - Pao kai Paok tha echei ferei sto spiti 90.000 xiliades kosmos.
Ean to deite auto tha katalabaite ti geinete simera sta Ellinika Gypeda.

Pios sovaros tha paei sto gipedo na faei kammia petra sto kefali, otan mporei na to dei stin TV me tin pereoula tou kai to frapedaki tou?

Pisteuw oti ftaei h TV kai to .... pame stoixima, oi perissoteroi ta paizoun kai meta perimenoun ta apotelesmata na pane gia tameio, vevaia sxedon oloi pane ston...kouva .... sunexizete h routina ..... ftou kai apo tin arxi.

Episeis to xamilo epipedo twn omadwn kai oi kakoi agwnistikoi xwroi mas kanoun na aidiazome, sovara sas lew oti protimoume na doume Italiko, Aggliko, Ispaniko podosfairo apo ena agwna Ellinikou protathlimatos px metaksu Proodeutikis, Kalitheas, Ionikou, Paniliakou, Aris ktl se xwrafia kai paei legontas.

well said louie, and thats why these numbers arent that sad. they are impressive. the way the greek protathlima is the number of total tickets should be closer to "500" let alone "28000" or so. its time for reform

It is true like Chris say, the numbers are not accurate, the season tickets are not counted. buts its still pretty bad for some teams.
Its also true that 85% that goes to the staduims today are violent people(im not saying everyone that goes there is looking for troubble) but most of them are violent... people cant take their children to the games cause the only thing they will learn is how to swear cause 80% of the songs in Greece is swearing to the other team.
But how do you stop 6000 fans from swearing ?

Otan breite ta akribes noumera totte tha pathete plaka sta alitheia kai totte tha peite kapote to eicha diabasi auto...
Me auta pou eginan twra akouste kai auta:
I Aek tha timorithi me xrimatiko prostimo,
O pao tha timorithi me to gypedo kleisto,
O Paok tha timorithi me prostimo.
Me auta kai mono allo ena ( - ) gia ta ELLINIKA gypeda,
kai theloume akribos # ,oxi den yparchei akribos # 100 pano 100 kato,
ekei eine olw to thema.
Min peistevete oti eine kana 500 giati kanete lathos.

Its a very soure issue with Greek soccer, the crowds and the fans.
+Greece is filled out siko fans that appear to be on some major drugs! +stadiums horafia for these fans to go to and do what ever they want +there is no real effective security, they can through rocks, get onto the field, kill someone, at the end of they day there, there is no tracking security in Greece to identify the malakes+and the saddest thing, nothing is been done about it!
Stadiums would appear to have no ground keepers, + the stadiums not only are ancient pieces of cement, but are also very small!!
We have derbys and they crowds are of 10,000-14,000 these days!!! We have no stadiums in Greece! There all small stadiums and there has to be free sections between the fans! so like the AEK vs PAO game although all the actual sections were filled, half the stadium had to be empty to seperate the animals!

Greece needs these new stadiums asap! and with them effective security system!

Pisteyo oti den einai i TV poy apomakrini toys filathloys ( oi opadoi einai aytoi oi ligoi poy pane sta "gipeda" stin Ellada )...

Gia paradimga edo sti Stoytgardi (mia poy tyxenei na doyleyo kathe agonistiki ekei):

Standard einai oi 20.000 filathloi (diarkias/opadoi syndesmon) - meta analoga pos pigenei i omada kai me poion antipalo paizoyn to gipedo einai "sold out" (peripoy pano kato 55.000!), an kai exei o kathenas tin dinatotita mesoy Premiere (syndromitiko kanali opos to NOVA) na dei oloys toys agones TIS KATHE AGONISTIKIS sto spiti toy i se sport cafe/bar/tavernes!

Meta thema bias den exo dei!!! Yparxoyn mikroepisodia styl methismenoys - hooligasimos omos OXI!

Parakato, i timi ton eisitirion poy einai kai ayto ena symantiko stoixeio einai arketa ypsilo (gia mia kali thesi prepei na pliroseis peripoy 25-40 eyro)!

Genika ola ta gipeda stin Germania einai se kali eos poli kali katastasi! Ginane kai ginonte kainoyria gipeda en opsi WC 2006 ( sto Monaxo, Kolonia, Amboyrgo Annobero, Schalke gia paradigma)

Ayta einai kapoia paradigmata opoy einai pragmatika oi epilpseis sto elliniko podosfairo!

Eyxomai oti me to neo Karaiskaki na paroyn kapoioi "antikeimenikoi" ton rolo toys sta sobara kai na ksanaepeksetasoyn ti theloyn akribos - giati kata tin dikia moy apopsi "polloi" boleyonte me ton hooliganismo sta gipeda mas!

Sto neo Karaiskaki tha yparxoyn arithmimenes theseis, i eisodos sto gipedo tha ginetai me synxrono, ilektroniko tropo kai pio oysiastika onomastika eisitiria - tha doyme tote poios tha exei to tharos kai to thrasos na rimaksei koini perioysia! Oso gia toys filoksenoymenos filathloys tha einai se sygkekrimeno xoro, me apeytheias prosbasi apo to stathmo toy ilektrikoy kai ayksomeioymeno xoro paramonis poy tha einai apolytos asfalis.

Meta tha yparxei megalo ypethrio parking, o periballontos xoro tha exei gia ola ta goysta diaskedaseis prin kai meta ton agona, syn oles tis ypoloipes meres!

Makari to neo Karaiskaki na ginei apodekto os apomimisi gia tis ypoloipes omades, makari na allaksoyn aytoi oi "kapoioi" ton tropo me ton opoio epixeiroyn mexri kai simera!

FORZA THRYLARA MOY - MEGALI MOY AGAPI!!!

Apla eine ta pragmata pedia.
kai auto eine apo to SuperSport.

1)23,761

2)24,171

3)25,502

4)28,907 Aek - Pao 2-2 all meta apo ta Epeisodia

5)21,439 ->
Edw mporeite na deite oti o kosmos pia efige kai palli, meta apo ta Epeisodia pou eginan.

Apo tin 1ti agwnistiki blepete oti siga - siga o kosmos erchontan ana 1,000 atoma,
meta feigane me - 6 me 7000 atoma.

O Kosmos tou Paok peigeni kai blepei ton Paok kai auto eine gia tin boithia pou theloun na dwsoun stin omada tous.

O kosmos tou Pao paei na dei tin kainourgia omada.

O Olympiakos itan timorimenos kai peigene na dei tin omada,
alla oxi pollis kosmos.

Ara, i Bia kai ta Gypedakia pou yparchoun stin Ellada den afeinoun ton Kosmo na erchete sta Gypeda.

Guys, I was looking over the attedence for our team... and I took out all the "ban" games, just the last 3 at Rizoupoli and look:



Olympiakos vs Paniliakos - 7,118
Olympiakos vs OFI - 11,088
Olympiaos vs Kallithea - 7,132


Total 3 games: 25, 338 divided by 3, the average attendence per game is: 8, 446.


The capacity of Rizoupoli is 14,000.


Now why can't a club like ours sell out each week? If we can't do it, nobody can... Our team has won 7 straight titles, making steps to better the club in each way, has a great president, consistently is winning on the field, and putting out a team that is fun to watch, with stars like Karembeu, Tzole, Castillo etc who I personally love watching. I think we should set the bar a big higher... I know we can get 14,000 a match, every week. A club like ours has no excuse.

I went and saw Chicago Fire v Colombus a couple of weeks ago and there were 31,000 people in there! LOL Here where soccer is at the bottom of the pit... Once again, when the HOOLIGANS leave the stadiums then you will see more people goingot stadiums.. Not until then... Even if you built new stadiums.. etc, etc people will not go until these hoodlums leave...

I watched the Kallithea and OFI games, I saw alot of women, some kids and none of the people looked dangerous... If it was OSFP vs PAO, then yeah I can see that, but I don't see that much problems vs teams like this. I don't think that is completely the reason for low attendence. (I could be wrong though, this is just a mere observation).

I hope so file Taki. I am thinking the same thing, but sometimes I wonder if we struggle to average 10,000 how will we get 33,000 every week?


To be honest though, I think we can do it. If we really crack down on hooligans, with the new Karaiskaki, and all the new facilities etc... maybe we can do it. It will be interesting to see how it will pan out. It will be amazing to see 30,000+ crowds EVERY WEEK.

It's rediculous that hooligans still exist in this day and age. I mean it's so childish to be such a fan where the mere sight of another opposing fan makes you want to kick his ass. My father for instance hasn't gone to a soccer game in Greece since there was a big riot in the 70's I think. People where beaten and trampled. I think the idea that it might happen again still scares people and they don't bother to go to the games. If the soccer federation in Greece would get a little stricter and deal with hooligans more strictly then something could possibly be done. There should be strict security, bag checking, and the whole nine yards. It sucks that a few assholes ruin it for the good fans that just want to see their team win and even if they don't get pissed but not to the point where they hurt other people or damage property. The police force on the fields should get off their asses and at first sight of problems toss the assholes out!!! Another factor that could increase numbers at games could be to give fans the opportunity to win prizes. For example the first 500 get T-shirts and other shit like that. Come on we have smart people all they need to do is get off their asses and come up with ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know that both Olympiakos and Panathinaikos want o get rid of the hooligans because they can see with their presenceand behaviour in the stadiums the crowds are very down.
Olympiakos next year at Karaiskaki will have a zero tolerance for Hooligans and all the season tickets will be numbered .

When the teams build new stadiums the hooligans will be disbanded. Already steps are being taken toward this(i.e. some clubs don't give their organized fans tickets for away games). In the stadiums,for example AEK Sports Arena, Granitsas made it very clear that the whole stadium is "skepasto" and even Big Mac had told them that their days were numbered.

i just thought of something interesting. will ridding our stadiums of hooligans bring fans to the games, or is it an excuse ? why is it that in CL games, all the games are sold out, no matter how much the ticket, no matter what size the stadium, oh yeah- and PACKED with hooligans? maybe our fans dont WANT to see teams like akratitos and halkidona.

the only thing new stadiums do is allow hooligans newer stuff to break...

unless the teams take measures to take care of the problem it will never go away...


and im not talking about the half-assed bs they are doing now just to appease fifa, I mean real measures

For Example:

1) Jailing hooligans for 5 yrs minimum for destruction of property/assault/theft/etc.

2) cracking down on alcohol and illegal substances in stadiums

3) a police force that cares

4) disbanding ALL privately organized groups and allow for all organized events to function directly through team personnel

etc.

i dont know about the first option, unless that is the law in greece, but its too extreme. one day in jail will scare some of these bitches straight. but 2,3,and 4 are more the reality and can work.

What about cameras in the stadium like they do in Britain?

Sto Neo Karaiskaki pantos tha yparxoyn arithmimena kathismata, opos episeis kai onomastika eisitiria... pisteyo oti mexri simera ola ayta poy ginonte sta gipeda einai epeidi oli piso apo tin anonimia kribontai! KAI SIMANTIKO... BOLEYONTE KAPOIOI ME TETOIES KATASTASEIS!

Pantos,

oso gia mas toys meloys (pisteyo epiteloys oloi edo na ginane meli stin LATRIA MAS):

Yparxi mia paragrafos stin episi meloys poy anaferei oti opoiosdipote dimioyrgisi problima mesa sto gipedo tha diagraftei apo ta mitroa melon!

Ayta einai kapoia paradigmata prospathias na kontrollarei i kathe PAE toys hooyliganoys toys.

Tora, o logos oti den exoyme mexri stigmi sold out oyte enan agona, eksartate kai apo ton kathe antipalo poy antimetopizei, opos kai oti oi times gia ta mi meli (poy einai polloi mexri tora ston dimo Peiraia) einai psoyxteres... akoma oti stin periferia Peiraia k Attikis oi agones toy Olympiakoy einai eleytheroi stin TV (os perisy eprepe na plirosei o kathe enas tin FILMNET/NOVA na dei toys agones toy efiboy)...

Tespa,

ME TIN NIKI SIMERA PAIDES!!! ISTORIKI MERA I APOPSINI!!!

FORZA THRYLARA MOY - MEGALI MOY AGAPI!!!

......and innocent people will die

Η μέγιστη αιτία στην μη προέλευση φιλάθλων στο γήπεδο δεν είναι μόνο οι χούλιγκαν που εύκολα μπορούν να απομονωθούν αλλά ειδικότερα το πρωτάθλημα αυτο κατ' αυτό και οι διοικούντες αυτού.

Ουσιαστικότερα είναι η αποδυνάμωση του και η κεντρική πορεία που πήρε την τελευταία δεκαετία. Πολλές ομάδες δεν έχουν την βάση φιλάθλων ο ανταγωνισμός είναι ασθενέστερος απο άλλοτε.

Όταν οι ομάδες λιγοστέψουν και οι επιχειρηματίες δούν τα πράγματα διαφορετικά με επενδύσεις σωστές που έχουν την λαϊκή βάση τότε θα γεμίζουν τα γήπεδα ξανά όπως και στο παρελθόν.

Όταν όλοι οι φορείς δουλεύουν για το καλό του πρωταθληματος κι όταν δούμε μια γυναίκα στην γωνία να χαμογελάει και στην ερώτηση, πώς σε λένε μας απαντήσει με λένε Τύχη, ε τότε ίσως γυρίσει κι αυτή η ρόδα που λέμε θα γυρίσει ο τροχός, (άραγε πόσο μεγάλος είναι, ακόμη να κάνει τον κύκλο του ο άτιμος) να δεί ποδόσφαιρο και ο φτωχός.

even if it your family member? it has to be avoided.

Clarify what your talking about?Soccer sucurity?,or the supposed fact that there is a contract on mick jagger and kieth richards head by hells angels for bailing on them after those concert deaths?

And to add to that,i'll say this.Obviously hooliganism is killing the greek game.Family's cannot attend for fear of being victims in acts of violence.Obviously the cops can't control things and more importantly are getting no respect.Bring in the hells angels and we'll see who wants to fuck with who?I'm betting these skinny armed hooligans who are only tough in a group will be reduced to choir boys with this type of security.Ya i know i'm talking out of my ass but the fact is this problem is not being tackled.

the fact that in that concert in 1969 i believe, a member of the audience was killed by the hells angels, thats all. sorry i didnt clear that up before

http://sportnews.flash.gr/articles/2004/3/31/47008/

Allothriskoi zoume se allo planiti

Don't know about you guys, but I will definitely buy a season ticket and also I'm paying the 150 Euro for a tile with my name on it in Karaiskaki. It's my way of further giving something back to the club, and also being a part of something bigger than ever, and be a part of history!

APPLICATION FORM FOR TICKETS

why would you get season tickets if you dont live in greece??

You can buy season tickets for 3 years, with 36 interest free payments, hence the transfer rumours by the gavrofillades coming around the same time tickets go on sale

how many tiles r being sold?

osa thes

i have been reading some greek sites and they are talking about ticket sales.

it looks as though they are heading for the target of 15,000 season tickets, and now we are at 13,500.

could somebody confirm this.

Yes it's true!! I can confirm this for you........

That's the limit they have set. Olympiakos wants the rest of the seats to be available to other members and the general public.

greek soccer way actually be going up and fast!!!


with a season ticket base of 15,000, that is great. the rest will be for single games and they will all be sold out!!!!!


i hope all the teams start getting higher ticket sales.

the ABSOLUTE LOWEST amount of fans at an A division game should be 10,000!!!!

none of this 650.

Olympiakos will sell ALL their season tickets ans Karaiskaki will be sold out early every home game

Ektos apo ta diarkeias, simera ananewsan xiliades meli tin karta melous, RIVALDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Guys there is absolutly nothing to be suprised about all this. Olympiakara always had the biggest fan base in all of Hellas we all know this and the "highest average" attendances in the past.When we played at the old Karaiskaki and the Spiridon Louis "Oaka" we always had the biggest averages and blew everyone away with our averages. Now when we played at the smaller Rizoupouli stadium figures had dropped but even there we brought in some pretty impressive figures knowing that it wasn`t even our home pitch and fans had to travel elsewere to watch their beloved team.

Now that Olympiacos is returning back at their new renovated home pitch to play and only that fact alone, will bring the people back and believe me we would all witness some very impressive figures in attendances at Karaskaiki and include also now the addition of Rivaldo to the roster, feaver has grown much much more to secure season tickets. What I like alot about this feaver is the fact that the "season tickets" concept has grown into the minds of our supporters to go and collect them and purchase them in advance before the season even begins wich proves the strong support and loyalty of our fans. If Olympiacos sells 15000 "season tickets" my friends, it goes to show you the great future that not only Olympiacos football will have during European fixtures when we play in the Champions League but also in the Hellenic championship. We cleaned up our act and began paving the way for our future and the future of our league...now other clubs must follow in our footsteps if we are to build a good championship.

Yes,very well said red devil.Lets just hope the others do follow our lead and strengthen the league rather than drag it down.Hopefully we have already seen rock bottom and its nowhere but up from here on in.

All season tickets have been sold.
Olympiakos only allocated 15,000 and they were snapped up.
Karaiskaki will be close to full capacity in all the home games we will play there this season .

Average cost of a ticket 15 euro multiply that by 30,000 fans = 450,000 euros multiply that by the 20 odd games we will play there gives us a total of 9 million euros